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Discussion #1
The Apocalypse of the Micro Chip
Hello Setter folks and animal lovers,

In response to a letter about a Rescue of a Male Setter the writer mentions that she is going to check for a Micro Chip. I wonder how many of you realize that it is not a good idea to have your animal MICRO CHIPPED? They are one more intrusion into our lives and the lives of our animals by Big Brother. Are you aware that these chips can be activated by a low orbitting sattalite that is orbitting the earth right now? It was launched from Florida sometime last year, just before Florida suffered from very severe storms, and it was at Epcot Center before that. This is a spy sattalite and when it activates the chips in your animals ----- who knows what behavior changes will be brought about. Certainly Not for the Good! Do you want your animals controled by someone else? What do you think the Mark Of the Beast IS? First in your animals and then in the humans. If you have any doubts as to what I am saying .....read Rev. the last book of the Bible.

"Are you aware that these chips can be activated by a low orbitting sattalite that is orbitting the earth right now?"

Apocalypse Now!


"Activated" to do what, please tell me. Will my garage door opener suddenly go berserk because my dogs are chipped? Will my TV go on the fritz once my dogs chips are "Activated"? Is there a little microphone implanted in the chip that is implanted in my dogs and will "Big Brother" suddenly hear the daily doings of my life? Is this post for real?

I sincerely want know.

Sincerely



Oh this is RICH!!! Let's see...microchips cannot be "activated" by a LEO (Low Earth Orbit) Satellite. Even if they were, what would they get? The location of 750,000 dogs/cats/zoo animals/wild research animals??? How absurd! There are 100's of LEO satellites in orbit..many of them over our head right now...none of my animals are acting strange...well, except for the puppies. They keep running around barking "666".

If any of you know anything about Communications Engineering I hope you find this as humorous as I do. If you dont...trust me...it's a hoot. I'd be more worried about the kid next door listening to my personal conversations by bouncing a laser pointer off my window than a Low power LEO satellite turning my IS into a mad, slobbering "Cujo". Come to think of it...he has started slobbering allot................and what are those red dots on the wall.....

LEO Guru

Dear Animal Lovers,

Can you take a chance with your beloved pet that I am wrong?
I refer you to an article from Catholic Propecy Update a Bi-Monthly Report from Signs and Wonders For Our Times. VOL.1, Number 5 - Sept/Oct. 1997.

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE GOD'S WORD ....NO EXPLAINATION IS NECESSARY........FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE.....NO EXPLAINATION IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!

Apocalypse Now!

Oh, My God!

This clearly explains the thing which happened right after those severe storms in Florida! One day all 16 of my dogs began tearing off their clothes and parading around in thongs. And there was rap music coming from inside them. They were surly and threw me insulting gestures. Then one night a comet blew by and they all disappeared. I have no more dogs, Thank God and Revelations, and now I know that if I ever have any again, I will not microchip them and so the sattalite won't be able to drive them insane and make them leave home.

Thank you Apocalypse. Now I know what went wrong!

Relieved and Enlightened

Doesn't this nonsense break some standard of the list rules? I do not believe that this message is really setter or dog oriented but just an attempt by a crackpot crusader to try to shout their brand religion at us from the "street corner." And as a dog lover and a Catholic, I am personally offended by this diatribe.

Offended!

It is proably a good thing to be reminded of this possibility from time to time and, rescue always has the potential to be intrusive. I would suggest tho, that it is not intrusion into our lives that is the danger, but the nature of the intrusion. Rescue is , of itself, an intrusion. Hopefully it is designed to help and to free, but even this must be taken cautiously unless the rights of owners and breeders are heedlessly violated. Intrusions are always a balancing act .

We are designed to be interactive beings and this necessitates intrusion on one hand and guarding the dignity of individuals on the other hand.

What an intrusion e-mail is ! ! I like to think that Setters-l is for the most part a constructive, caring, loving, group of intruders. Look at all the times we grieve with one another, identify with each other in pain, support one another in crisis, help one another with working out things like transportation, and laugh outrageously with each other. We know e-mail can be pretty terrible in some hands, tho. What dreadful misuses we hear about.

Of course there are intrusions that are manipulative, selfish, greedy, vile, and murderous. But there are those which are instinctively giving, caring, and lovely. And sometimes it is not possible to distinguish ..... the lines blur .. ... and we can not separate the wheat from the chaff. Good things in some hands become evil things in another. And good things taken to extreme become less than good things.

Now although I myself am not concerned about microchips being among the invasive things to be concerned about, there are things (not necessarily setter related) which cause me rage as being grossly, manipulatively, intrusive. I admit the need to re evaluate periodically. So while we go riding off to do battle in the name of rescue, we need to pause for a reality check now and then.

Thanks for reminding us of this responsibility.

Reasoned and Measured

Having done the very thing suggested, I fail to find any information on microchipping, what in the microchips could or would be activated, how activation would be achieved, nor what any supposed activation would accomplish.

While we certainly do well to take heed of the cautions found in Rev. the last book of the Bible, these cautions are not directed toward microchipping nor are they of particular concern for setters. Getting sidetracked from genuine issues dilutes the real import of scripture.

To The Point

AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE A VERY LAZY DOG OWNER, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO HAVE ANYTHING CONTROL MY 18 DOGS SINCE THEY OFTEN DO AS THEY PLEASE--THE OLD SELECTIVE HEARING LOSS. BUT I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO PUT UP WITH THE IMPROBABLE RISK OF SATELLITE CONTROL VERSUS THE REAL RISK OF LOSS OF MY DOGS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY IDENTIFICATION THAT WOULD AID IN THEIR RETURN IF LOST OR STOLEN.

Doggies First

Having just gotten home this latest tangent relating to info on the net rivals January's "Afghan conspiracy". I don't doubt the sincerity of the original poster, but you really need to get out more often and spend less time on conspiracy theories. The Biblical reference is an apocalyptic book, one I believe, that is not to be taken in a literal sense as might the Gospels. If you take Revelation in the literal sense you must do so word for word and not pick and choose those passages that prove a point, no matter how bizarre the point.

I hope that we can use this medium for discussion on setters not UFO's, Microchips and Big Brother, as well as a myriad of other non-related fringe philosophies.....

Now if there had been an afghan cross-reference who knows what that might bring out of the woodwork.

Out and About

Excuse me please !! The microchip used for ID purposes is a 100 percent passive device. Therefore, your dog cannot be tracked from space as there is nothing to be activated. Were a "beacon" be implanted in your dog under the "guise" of a microchip, there would be two not so small problems. 0ne, The power supply and two the size of the transmitter, not to mention the size of the antenna.

Have you seen the size of the chip that is implanted? It's about the size of a grain of rice. Webster and Megan had their AVID chips implanted two three weeks back at MSU. The procedure was quick, simple and straightforward. I was talking to an animal control officer Sunday as he was taking a break from chasing down two stray Chows.

He mentioned that all dogs that come into the shelter are immediately scanned for a chip. AVID the one Webster and Megan have, actually give scanners to the humane societies and local shelters, and make a scanner that recognizes the encoding of the four major makes. It virtually guarantees that a lost, chipped puppy will be returned to it's proper owner if it comes to a local shelter.

That's a cheap price to pay, in my view, for such a level of security. But that is simply my opinion.

In the Know

Being a back sliding reformed Congregationalist, I properly acknowledge that I am not quite as conversant with the holy word as perhaps I should. So please, where does it make mention of Low Orbiting Satellites and microchipped canines, and the threat such poses to Christendom?

In Search Of Enlightenment

I do hope my post was received in the spirit it was written. I am a communications engineer by trade and experiment with LEO satellites when I am not raising Red dogs. I did not intend to demean anyones beliefs. I was just trying to lighten up an obvious (at least to me) case of misinformation that had blossomed into a real doozy of a story.

LEO Guru


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